Talk:Tredegar Park, Newport

Requested move 9 August 2018

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: no consensus. There doesn't seem to be any consensus for this specific proposed move. Number 5 7 20:54, 19 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Tredegar Park, Newport → Tredegar Park (community) – DAB from Tredegar Park, which is also in Newport and this is probably named after it. I expect that disambiguation is uncontroversial here but I'm less sure on the target. Does Tredegar Park exist as a district as well or just a community and ward? It was originally at Tredegar Park (ward) until Skinsmoke (talk · contribs) moved it in 2009. See Talk:Corfe Castle (village)#Requested move 12 April 2014 for a similar RM. Tredegar Park, Newport should then be redirected to Tredegar House Country Park its self. Crouch, Swale (talk) 08:29, 9 August 2018 (UTC)--Relisting. Dekimasuよ! 01:40, 25 August 2018 (UTC) --Relisting. Dreamy Jazz 🎷 ^{talk to me | my contributions} 12:29, 2 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Why does this need disambiguation? The park article is at Tredegar House Country Park. The redirect should not lead the park but to a disambiguation which might also include Tredegar Park Golf Club. --Gonnym (talk) 15:16, 12 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

That article indicates its called "Tredegar Park", there is no need for a DAB pages as all the articles refer to the same place, WP:DABCONCEPT. Crouch, Swale (talk) 07:33, 13 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose. Hatnotes are fine. -- Necrothesp (talk) 13:31, 14 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
@Necrothesp: What should be done with the title "Tredegar Park" (which redirects to the park also in Newport) and the title "Tredegar Park, Newport"? For the same reason as Windermere, Cumbria (town) we shouldn't have the unqualified name and the disambiguated name having 2 different targets. Do you think this should instead be moved to Tredegar Park? Crouch, Swale (talk) 13:39, 14 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Move Tredegar Park, Newport to Tredegar Park. -- Necrothesp (talk) 13:41, 14 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Support - the nominator is correct, disambiguation is needed, as "Tredegar Park" primarily refers to the park, and the park is located in Newport. The current title therefore fails WP:PRECISE, and hatnotes aren't appropriate as it is not the primary topic in a WP:TWODABS scenario. — Amakuru (talk) 22:11, 20 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Support some move. The current title does not disambiguate from the park. — AjaxSmack 00:04, 12 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
@Gonnym: @Necrothesp: Based on the above comments do we now agree disambiguation is needed, similar to Stratford-upon-Avon/Stratford-on-Avon District, see also this and Commons:Category talk:Llangelynin. If so where should we move it to? Crouch, Swale (talk) 19:06, 12 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose the proposed move, support moving Tredegar Park, Newport to Tredegar Park; the park is at Tredegar House Country Park, a non-matching title. bd2412 T 00:02, 19 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
@BD2412: "Tredegar Park" appears to be an alternative name for the park its self, the administrative division is a subtopic of the park, the park article should probably be a WP:DABCONCEPT article for the community. As pointed out by Amakuru the park its self might actually be "Tredegar Park" with "Tredegar House Country Park" just being part of it. Crouch, Swale (talk) 18:00, 19 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
That seems to be an entirely different discussion. bd2412 T 19:37, 19 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
The location of the park article is a different discussion, but the point of alternative names remains that "Tredegar Park" is a name for the park. If it was desired to move the park to "Tredegar Park" the we would also have to debate where this should go again. Crouch, Swale (talk) 19:42, 19 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.